Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler
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Listen, Learn & Love Hosted by Richard Ostler
Welcome to our podcast! My name is Richard H. Ostler and I am a native of Salt Lake City, small business owner, married father of six with several grandchildren. I believe in and am deeply committed to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and want it to work for a wider group. I am t...
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Episode 843: Bryson Lind, Gay Latter-Day Saint, Therapist Perspective to Finding Healing and Hope
My friend Bryson Lind (active gay Latter-day Saint, mid 30’s) joins us to discuss his new therapy practice in Utah (Aletheia Counseling) and important...

Episode 842: Rob Metcalf: New Album “The Road Trip”
My friend Rob Metalf (married father of two, age 33) joins us to share his journey with his mental health (OCD/anxiety) and his physical health (Ankyl...

Episode 841: Richard Ostler: YSA Ward Talk
Talk given in our YSA Ward on the character of our Heavenly Parents and Jesus—and how that brings us peace, healing, and hope.
Focused...

Episode 840: Aaron and Julie Bujnowski: New Book “Navigating to Jesus: A Journey of Faith”
My friends Aaron and Julie Bujnowski (married parents of two; living North of Dallas, Texas, active Latter-day Saints) join us to talk about their new...

Episode 839: Jessica Frew, Podcaster, Author, New Book “Shove Your Shoulds”
My friend Jessica Frew (life coach, former husband is gay and still “part of the family”, married mother of three) joins us to share her story of her...
Episode 838: Alex Hayes, Gay BYU Student, Sexual Assault Survivor, Jesus, Super Brave
*** This episode talks about suicide. If you are suicidal, please call/text/chat *988 ***
My friend Alex Hayes (from Utah County, Age 1...
Episode 837: Darren Parry, New Book, “Tending the Sacred: How Indigenous Wisdom will Save the World”
My friend Darren Parry (Shoshone Leader, Adjust Professor at Utah State and University of Utah, Author) joins us to talk about his new book called “Te...
Episode 836: McArthur Krishna and Anne Pimentel, New Book, “Changemakers: Women Who Bolding Built Zion”
My friends McArthur Krishna and Anne Pimentel (authors, BYU grads, advocates for those on the margins) join us to talk about their important new book...
Episode 835: Shirley Washenko and Sage Williams, New Book: “Healing after Sexual Abuse”
My friends Shirley Washenko (sexual abuse survivor/advocate) and Sage Williams (MSc, RN, long-time advocate) joins us to talk about their new, groundb...
Episode 834: Ashli Carnicelli, Trina Caudle, McArthur Krishna: New Book about Heavenly Mother
My friends Ashli Carnicelli, Trina Caudle, and McArthur Krishna join us to talk about their new book “Mother in Heaven: A Gospel Topics Essay Study Gu...
Episode 833: Isaac Durfey, Black/Gay Latter-day Saint, Super Brave
*** This episode talks about suicide. If you are suicidal, please call/text/chat *988 ***
My friend Isaac Durfey (lives in Utah County,...
Episode 832: Lilly MacKenzie, Transgender BYU Student
My friend Lilly MacKenzie (who was on Episode 765) joins us to update listeners on her journey—including her spiritual journey (which includes more ab...
Episode 831: Aiden Kelly (Transgender Man) and Annalee Kelly (His Supportive LDS Mother)
My friend Aiden Kelly (he/him, trans man, age 23, future in theatre) and my friend Annalee Kelly (married mother of 4, RM, active LDS, from Idaho Fall...
Episode 830: Nikki Andreasky, Non-Binary/Trans Latter-day Saint, Super Brave
My friend Nikki Andreasky (BYU-I grad, lives in AZ, they/them) joins us to share their story including:
* Long-term gender dysphoria/che...
Episode 829: Jenn Curtis, New North Star President, Powerful Story
*** This episode talks about suicide. If you are suicidal, please call/text/chat *988 ***
My friend Jenn Curtis (late 40s, lives in Cal...
Episode 828: Sharlee Mullins Glenn, New Book “Brighter and Brighter Until the Perfect Day”
My friend Sharlee Mullins Glenn (noted author, former adjunct faculty at BYU, committed Latter-day Saint, married mother of 5, founder and former Exec...
Episode 827: Sara Sumsion, Painful Church Experiences, Why She Stays, Mother’s Day Lesson Insights
My friend Sara Sumsion (RM, Age 30, YSA ward leader, getting a master’s degree in marriage and family therapy) joins us to share her unique story. Sa...
Episode 826: Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward, New Book: “At Last She Said It”
My dear friends, Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward, (co-founders of the “At Last She Said It Project” which includes their groundbreaking podcast—wit...
Episode 825: Elder Jax Smith, Current Missionary, Gay Latter-day Saint
My friend Elder Jax Smith (multi-racial, from Highland Utah, Age 25) joins us to bravely share his story:
Middle school: “My personal h...
Episode 824: Leon Crandell, Married Father of 8, Gay Latter-day Saint
My friend Leon Crandell (lives in Snowflake AZ, cosmetologist, Brazil RM) joins us to bravely share his story:
Survivor of sexual abuse<...
Episode 823: Darice Auston, LDS Mother of a Trans Child, Gather Conference June 2025
My friend Darice (married mother of four including a transgender daughter, Gather Conference Director) joins us to share her story including:
Episode 822: Helen Anderson, Mother of Trans Daughter, New Variety Show on May 10th
My friend Helen Anderson (Lives in Utah County, BYU Grad, Mother of 4, LGBTQ Ally) joins us to share her story:
· Exposure to gay...
Episode 821: Lucas Batista, Gay Latter-day Saint, International BYU Student
*** This episode talks about suicide. If you are suicidal, please call/text/chat *988 ***
My friend Lucas Batista (grew up in Brazil, l...
Episode 820: Lyric Kinard, Creating LGBTQ Support Groups, Allyship, Gather Southeast
My friend Lyric Kinard (lives in Raleigh, married mother of 5 including queer kids, active Latter-day Saint) joins us to share her story around creati...
Episode 819: McKay Mayes, Gay Latter-day Saint, Giving Hope to Others
My friend McKay Mayes (from Wyoming, London South RM, Age 29, Lives/Works in Utah County) joins us to share his story including:
Always believ...
Episode 818: Barbara Higinbotham, LDS Mother of Three LGBTQ Children
My friend Barbara Higinbotham (married mother of 5 living children including a non-binary child, transgender daughter, and gay son; early 60s; recentl...
Episode 817: Cort Watson, Gay BYU-I Student, Focus on Christ/Temple/Being Authentic
My friend my friend Cort Watson (construction management major/BYI-Idaho, from Tremonton, Arcadia CA RM, former FSY counselor) joins us to bravely sha...
Episode 816: Eric Hales, LCSW, Therapist for Queer Folks
My friend Eric Hales (a highly recommended therapist, gay, mid-30s, former Latter-day Saint, licensed in Utah, Idaho, Nevada, and Virginia) joins us t...
Episode 815: Kelsey Wells, Mid-20’s, Child of God, Gay Latter-day Saint
My friend Kelsey Wells (RM, from Idaho, lives in Utah County, former EFY counselor and seminary teacher, active in her ward) joins us to bravely share...
Episode 814: Marley Orton, LDS Mother of Non-Binary Child
My friend Marley Orton (married mother of three, mid-50s, Utah County, real estate broker/hair stylist, RM) joins us to share her story of love and ac...
Episode 812: Matt Higinbotham, Gay Latter-Day Saint, RM, Personal Revelation, Acceptance
My friend Matt Higinbotham (RM from Tempe Arizona, returned Feb 2024, from Utah County, BYU student) joins us to share his story as a gay Latter-day S...
Episode 813: Trevor Schoeny, Gay Latter-day Saint, Recent RM, Must Listen
My friend Trevor Schoeny (RM from Lubbock Texas, returned Dec 2024, from Virgina/DC, BYU student, Age 23) joins us to share his story as a gay Latter-...
Episode 811: Jake and Joe Sharp, Lost Brother Sam to Suicide, Solving Porn Use, Remove Shame
*** This episode talks about suicide. If you are suicidal, please call/text/chat *988 ***
My friends Jake and Joe Sharp (identical twins...
Episode 810: Dr Matthew Harris, New Book Called “Second-Class Saints”
My friend Dr. Matthew L Harris (Historian, Colorado State University) joins us to talk about his powerful new book called “Second-Class Saints: Black...
Episode 809: Richard Hanks, New Book About His Father Elder Marion D. Hanks
My friend Richard Hanks (mid 60s, retired business executive, active Latter-day Saint/former Mission President) joins us to talk about his biography o...
Episode 808: Hailey Kynaston, Age 22, BYU-I, RM, SSA, Disciple of Christ
My friend Hailey Kynaston (Anaheim California RM, BYU-I marriage and family studies major, grew up in Davis County) bravely joins us to share her stor...
Episode 807: Candice Clark, LDS Mother of Queer Kids, “No Empty Chairs” Podcast
My friend Candice Clark (mother of 5, lives in Iowa City, Iowa) joins us to share her story of her journey to love, understand, and accept her queer k...
Episode 806: Emilie Call and Ashlie Sanders (Sisters), That’s Church Podcast, Event on March 8th
My friends Emilie Call (married mother of 4) and Ashlie Sanders (married mother of 3) join us to talk about their podcast they founded, and co-host ca...
Episode 805: Liberty Hansen, Early Release Missionary, Giving Hope to Others
My friend Liberty Hansen (age 20, lives in Spanish Fork Utah, Richmond Virginia RM) joins us to share her story of returning home from her mission af...
Episode 804: Hayden Clark, Solving Porn Use
My friend Hayden Clark (age 30, married, father of one, lives in Mesa Arizona, former Utah Dixie State University football player, Phoenix firefighter...