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Decoder with Nilay Patel
Decoder is a show from The Verge about big ideas — and other problems. Verge editor-in-chief Nilay Patel talks to a diverse cast of innovators and policymakers at the frontiers of business and technology to reveal how they’re navigating an ever-changing landscape, what keeps them up at night, and wh...
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The AI industry is at a major crossroads
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Rivian CEO on CarPlay, Lidar, and affordable EVs
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The good, the bad, and the future of AI agents
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Ford CEO Jim Farley on China, tariffs, and the quest for a $30,000 EV
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How AI safety took a backseat to military money
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Dropout CEO Sam Reich on business, comedy, and keeping culture weird
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How chatbots — and their makers — are enabling AI psychosis
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How brands and creators are fighting for your attention — and your money
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Sierra CEO Bret Taylor on why the AI bubble feels like the dotcom boom
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Sal Khan is hopeful that AI won't destroy education
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The quest to keep OpenAI honest
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Rewind: Bookshop CEO's crusade to save books from Amazon
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Is ChatGPT killing higher education?
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Amazon is betting on agents to win the AI race
This is Alex Heath, your Thursday episode guest host and deputy editor at The Verge. One of the biggest topics in AI these days is agents — the idea t...

How the head of Obsidian went from superfan to CEO
Obsidian is a note-taking and productivity app that occupies the same "second brain" space as competitors like Notion — but in a lot of ways, it's als...

ChatGPT chief Nick Turley doesn't want you too attached to AI
This is Alex Heath, your Thursday episode guest host and deputy editor at The Verge. Today, I’m talking to a very special guest: Nick Turley, OpenAI’s...
Notion's CEO wants you to demand better from your tools
This is Casey Newton, founder and editor of Platformer and cohost of the Hard Fork podcast. This is the second episode of my productivity-focused Deco...
GitHub's CEO says AI coding is ‘here to stay’
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Why tech is racing to adopt AI coding
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Why AI researchers are getting paid like NBA All-Stars
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Can we ever trust an AI lawyer?
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We are not ready for better deepfakes
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Why tech billionaires want a ‘corporate dictatorship’
This is Jon Fortt, CNBC journalist. I’m guest-hosting for a couple more episodes of Decoder this summer while Nilay is out on parental leave. Today, I...
Perplexity CEO on why the browser is AI's killer app
This is Alex Heath, deputy editor at The Verge. Nilay’s out on parental leave for the next few months, so I’ll be stepping in to host our Thursday epi...
How decision making will change when AI answers are cheap and (too) easy
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Inside the AI startup frenzy: ‘Everyone’s pivoting, then pivoting again’
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How SharkNinja took over the home
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Why Automattic CEO Matt Mullenweg went to war over WordPress
Today, I’m talking with Matt Mullenweg, the founder and CEO of Automattic and the public face of WordPress. Last year, Matt essentially went to war, p...
Hinge CEO Justin McLeod says dating AI chatbots is 'playing with fire'
Today, I’m talking with Hinge founder and CEO Justin McLeod. Hinge is one of the biggest dating apps in the United States — it’s rivaled only by Tinde...

Monopoly isn’t a game (with Lina Khan)
Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. Decoder is on a short summer break right now, but we’ll be back starting June 23 with new episodes, and we’re very excited f...
Taskrabbit CEO Ania Smith isn’t afraid of AI robots replacing human labor
Today, I’m talking with Taskrabbit CEO Ania Smith. Taskrabbit is an interesting company; it’s known best for being a platform for hiring people to put...
Why Runway CEO Cris Valenzuela thinks AI filmmaking is the future
Today, I’m talking with Runway CEO and co-founder Cris Valenzuela. This one’s special: Cris and I were live at an event in New York City last month ho...
Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky wants to build the everything app
Today, I’m talking with Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky. This is Brian’s fourth time on the show, and he’s one of my favorite guests because he’s so clearly o...
How private equity kills companies and communities
Today, I’m talking with journalist Megan Greenwell about her new book Bad Company: Private Equity and the Death of the American Dream. It comes out Ju...
Google CEO Sundar Pichai on the next phase of AI
In what's become a bit of a Decoder tradition, I spoke with Google CEO Sundar Pichai in person after I/O. The conference this year was all about AI, p...
Why Uber's CEO is okay with reinventing the bus
Today, I’m talking with Uber CEO Dara Khosrowshahi. We recorded this conversation on the same day Uber announced a big set of product updates, includi...
Microsoft CTO Kevin Scott on how AI can save the web, not destroy it
Today, I’m talking with Kevin Scott, the chief technology officer of Microsoft, and one of the company’s AI leaders. Kevin is one of my favorite repea...
Workday's new product head hopes he can make you like Workday
Today, I’m talking with Gerrit Kazmaier, the brand-new president of product and technology at Workday. Gerrit’s new on the job, maybe a little bit bra...
Did Apple get too big for its own good?
We’re doing something a little different today — I asked my friend John Gruber of Daring Fireball to come on the show and talk about the future of App...
Reuters is ready to stand up for the press — and embrace AI
Today, I’m talking with Paul Bascobert, who is the president of Reuters, as part of a special Thursday series we’re running this month to explore how...